Canadian Tuxedo Optional ([info]michaelpop) wrote,
@ 2008-05-19 10:37:00
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Reason #1283948 why kids today are pussies.
I tried calling my mom a few days before Mother's Day to, like, wish her a good one or something, but she didn't answer, so I gave up after one attempt. Hey, I tried. I believe that my efforts as a son are directly proportional to her efforts raising me when I was young. SNAP BURN SNAP. I kid. There are no hard feelings. Really!

Yesterday, I read this article in the LA Times and it reminded me of a good story:

In March, Lenore Skenazy, a New York City mother, gave her 9-year-old son, Izzy, a MetroCard, a subway map, a $20 bill and some quarters for pay phones. Then she let him make his own way home from Bloomingdale's department store -- by subway and bus.

Izzy survived unscathed. He wasn't abducted by a perverted stranger or pushed under an oncoming train by a homicidal maniac. He didn't even get lost. According to Skenazy, who wrote about it in a New York Sun column, he arrived home "ecstatic with independence."

His mother wasn't so lucky. Her column generated as much outrage as if she'd suggested that mothers make extra cash by hiring their kids out as child prostitutes.

But it also reinvigorated an important debate about children, safety and independence.

Reader, if you're much over 30, you probably remember what it used to be like for the typical American kid. Remember how there used to be this thing called "going out to play"?

For younger readers, I'll explain this archaic concept. It worked like this: The child or children in the house -- as long as they were over age 4 or so -- went to the door, opened it, and ... went outside. They braved the neighborhood pedophile just waiting to pounce, the rusty nails just waiting to be stepped on, the trees just waiting to be fallen out of, and they "played."


Okay, my mother will never retroactively win any awards for parent of the year -- in fact, her style was, shall we say, borderline negligent -- but I can remember a very specific instance from when I was no older than 5, where I was getting really hungry and needed to eat. Normally I'd scavenge the kitchen looking for ham or bread or cereal, but we must've been out of everything on this day. So I went into my mom's bedroom where she was sleeping (she was always sleeping during the day on account of working nights as a blackjack dealer. Also, I've probably mentioned this before, but I inherited her love of hibernating. Evidence: I slept 20 hours from Saturday afternoon to Sunday afternoon. I'm half Asian and half bear.) and woke her up and told her I was hungry. My mother, bless her heart, reached into her purse and pulled out $10 (back in 1985 that was a lot of money, right?) and told me to go down the street to the Kentucky Fried Chicken to get myself something to eat. Now, before you start jumping to conclusions thinking "terrible parent this" or "worst mom ever that", rest assured that I have other stories I can tell you where you can think that. This is not one of them. Before she sent me out, she gave me some valuable instructions though. Don't talk to strangers, and come straight home. Oh, and pick her up some food, too. I was going anyway, right? And with that, I tucked that $10 bill into my sock and was off.

I arrived at the KFC -- I don't even think I had to cross any major streets -- and I'm pretty sure I didn't understand how to read the menu, so I just pointed at stuff in the glass case and asked for some chicken. I handed over my money, assumed that I was being given correct change, and promptly put that money back into my sock. (I carried all of my money around in my sock for years, by the way. My money had a tendency to smell like feet that way.) Then I carried my food home and ate it in front of the TV. And you know what? I thought all of that was normal! It never entered my mind that I could've been kidnapped or molested or worse. I had no fear! I was excited because I was getting to do "big boy" stuff! My mom's methods might not have been the greatest, but she instilled independence in me at an early age that I'm sure has helped me throughout my life. And I think I turned out all right! I mean, I didn't end up on a milk carton! So, thanks mom! You're the best!


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[info]angelly_bean
2008-05-19 05:46 pm UTC (link)
dude! my mom used to send us down to the corner to buy milk, and carrying a gallon of milk when you're 9 is hard work. like maragaret cho said, "you're doing arms AND cardio!"

we walked to school alone and walked 3 blocks to shoplift at pic'n save, or 3 blocks another way to get ice cream cones at thrifty's. now parents are afraid of every little thing. bring back rusty nails!

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I have a hunch that it was an Asian thing. On any given day from the time I was 7 until 10, if you'd asked my mom where I was she'd have no clue. I was off riding my bike, or hitting baseballs by myself at the park. Or shoplifting baseball cards from the liquor store at the corner.

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[info]angelly_bean
2008-05-19 06:28 pm UTC (link)
it's a beaner thing too. we're all about autonomy and independence. the machismo element plays a role as well.

but seriously, kids today are coddled too much and what happens? they get prego at 16 and addicted to oxycontin!

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[info]hipsterdad
2008-05-19 06:46 pm UTC (link)
You, too? I was making a pretty good killing off the Topps boxes at the B&W grocery on Atlanta Road. My dad'd send me in with $1 for bread, and I'd come back with bread, change and three packs in my back pocket.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 07:34 pm UTC (link)
Whatever I lacked in cunning I made up for in sheer brazenness. The funny thing is, back then I actually thought I was a good shoplifter. Turned out it was more a case of the owners letting me get away with it, until I pressed my luck and eventually got 86'd. This story culminates with me trying to steal a soda by putting it under my hat. When I got up to the counter to pay for a pack of cards, the shopkeeper asked me what was under my hat. I feigned knowledge of how that soda found its way onto my head. It was pretty much the worst piece of lying/acting ever recorded. The shopkeeper was not amused, and I was thusly 86'd for life.

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[info]je_taime_mods
2008-05-19 08:16 pm UTC (link)
i love love love this story!!!
so ridiculous and funny!

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[info]beckon_you_on
2008-05-19 06:01 pm UTC (link)
That reminds me of when I used to walk down Alicia Parkway in Laguna Niguel when I was 10 to get KFC because it was the only thing besides a gas station and a grocery store within walking distance. haha. My mom thought I was weird.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I used to love KFC when I was little! Now I think it's pretty disgusting, which is saying a lot, because I love disgusting food. You'd think a FAMOUS BOWL would be my favorite meal in the world, but it's not. They still have great biscuits though.

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[info]pulpstress
2008-05-19 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Completely off topic, I just adore your icon!

The Last Unicorn is one of my favorite films from my childhood.

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[info]nowaitbutlisten
2008-05-19 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha, I don't think this is an "only Asian" thing, dude. We had a liquor store at the corner and I pretty much lived there as a child. I would always walk down there with our dog and she would stay sitting at the door while I went in and bought $0.05 Lucas packets or a Dr. Pepper for my dad. The dog always got a free licorice from the people who worked there. I don't think my mom ever thought twice about sending me down there. And we moved away from that house when I was 9 so I was a little kid when I was walking up and down that street. And it was a major street with a billion cars and crazy people!

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Seriously, that was the Inland Empire, dude! That couldn't have been too safe. I'm glad you made it out of the 909 unharmed.

I was still living in Las Vegas at that time, but once we moved to LA when I was 7, I was still on my own. For dinner my mom would give me money to get a pizza from the place across the street. I spent a lot of money there playing Donkey Kong and ate a shit ton of pizza. It's no coincidence, I think, that once we moved away that that pizza place went out of business. I must've been their #1 customer.

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[info]redelvis
2008-05-19 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Me and my friends owned our neighborhood so we had no fear! bUahahaha!!!

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm surprised Adam never tried to lure you guys into his "home" under the bridge!!

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[info]redelvis
2008-05-19 07:49 pm UTC (link)
HAHA right?! I remember we used to slowly TEST how far we could go... eventually we made it all the way to the Glendale Galleria on SKATEBOARDS. Seemed light years away at the time though. Was fun! But truth be told I guess it's safer to be in a group... I doubt I ever ran around alone much... no need to!

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[info]chillbot75
2008-05-19 07:59 pm UTC (link)
YOU!... why is that Korean guy at Texaco STILL THE SAME AGE though!!! so agg.

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[info]redelvis
2008-05-19 08:12 pm UTC (link)
haha right?! he was all "what happened to your nose?" and i was like "hockey puck" ... "ahh hockey puck!" over 20+ years that was the longest conversation we've ever had!

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-05-19 07:00 pm UTC (link)
as sure as i am that a lot of kids end up totally fine after stuff like that happens, it's still grounds for reporting to child protective services in this state (and if 5-year-old you came into my therapy office today and told me that story, i would be required by law to call in a report)! the laws are pretty inflexible and ignorant of cultural values that might be different from the white middle-class (not upper-class because upper-class parenting is done by nannies, amirite?), but they are meant to protect a kid from stuff like having to parent themselves from age 5, because kids are supposed to be kids and parents are supposed to be parents.

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[info]redelvis
2008-05-19 07:34 pm UTC (link)
i think it's silly to mandate things by AGE rather than letting a parent actually PARENT and judge for themselves what their kids can and cannot do.

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-05-19 07:50 pm UTC (link)
well, keep in mind that a lot of it is based on a lot of research about child development, and what tasks are developmentally appropriate to what age. a 5-year-old being in charge of his own food and travelling to get it is not developmentally appropriate because at that age, a child's grasp of reality is still forming. so situations that may be dangerous are not fully understandable to a child at that age. and also keep in mind that a lot of parents have few skills to understand developmental appropriateness too.

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[info]pulpstress
2008-05-19 10:35 pm UTC (link)
I do agree with this statement. However, this mother showed very poor judgment. She's lucky the kid came home safe. You've gotta remember, this was in New York City. Not in some suburb or small town where everybody knows each other.

My mom grew up in New Jersey and used to take the train into the city for Yankee games when she was 10. But, this was also back in the early-50s when things were a bit safer.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Like Daniel's saying, how do you define negligence? I had an experience with DCSS when I was 17, because my step-father and his wife left their newborn baby at home with her 4-year-old girl in charge, and the state came in and took us all away. That's one thing, I think. Knowing your kid can handle going down the street to the store or to get something to eat, is that a crime?

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-05-19 08:19 pm UTC (link)
the one area of child abuse that is pretty difficult to define is neglect (and it's social workers at DCFS/CPS who do the investigation and take kids out of the home if it's necessary according to them--and a lot of them decide to remove kids who are probably better off at home, and i can tell you that i have seen cases like that myself). but like i said above, developmental appropriateness is a big part of how these things are evaluated. a 4-year-old is not cognitively equipped to take care of a newborn, and a 10-year-old could be mature enough to go to the store by him/herself (around age 7 to 11 is, in fact, a stage of development where kids are learning how to do things like this), but a 5-year-old just has not developed the skills that make that a safe situation, even if it's a very mature 5-year-old. little kid brains have a pretty set course of development, and excepting the cases where there are serious interruptions of that development, the large majority of kids just are not at a point of being able to understand what adults understand. at 5, you're not meant to be fending for yourself; your parents are supposed to be ensuring that you get the nourishment, shelter, clothing, protection from harm, and intellectual development (like going out into the world and experiencing things in a way that is safe for a child--a way that will allow the child to first develop the skills to deal with those activities and environments alone in the future) that you require as a 5-year-old. that's the evolutionary purpose of parents, even; if parents left kids on their own very early in development, the kids would be at much more risk for death.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 09:07 pm UTC (link)
I understand what you and the research are saying. The laws are in place to protect the majority. That's understandable. My story was on the extreme end of things; like I said, my mom was borderline negligent! I'm not advocating every parent letting their kindergartner run loose on the streets, but I think kids are remarkably resilient if given the opportunity to experience the world on their own terms. It seems like kids are getting coddled to the point where when they're finally left to their own devices and set free in the real world, that they're woefully unprepared. Then again, I was raised by wolves and Sesame Street, so my perspective is a little skewed.

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-05-19 09:51 pm UTC (link)
i think that most kids can be remarkably resilient. i think that there are some who just can't be, and if human beings really had the ability to take anything and get through it, i doubt that anyone would ever have begun to study psychology and why we are the way we are, in the first place. lucky for me, though, they did, and now i get to be one of the people going out there and trying to help!

and i think, truthfully, that every parent could be doing better in some way, but most are just trying to do the best they can with what they have. most of the harm that comes to kids is not intended to be that, including the over-sheltering and under-sheltering. i attribute a lot of the coddling and too much videogames and tv to parents being way too stressed and not knowing what else to do, just as i would attribute most of the too-high expectations to parents' need for help or support and not knowing what else to do.

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-05-19 08:44 pm UTC (link)
and just to clarify the reason i brought this stuff up: i know a lot of people's response is "well, i did x, y, and z when i was a kid but i turned out fine!" and the reason that the laws exist is that not every kid who does x, y, and z turns out fine.

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[info]styloroc_2000
2008-05-19 07:28 pm UTC (link)
man, when i was a little kid, I was would be expected to able to fend for myself, naked in the woods with nothing but a pair of tweezers and hammer.

Okay maybe not... but it was close. It wasn't that my parents didn't put restrictions on me, they did, nor was did they teach me anything special in terms of self-reliance... the big difference is that if I got away with it, I was expected to face the consequences, learn what to do in an emergency, etc... it's about being independent.

I've found that not just younger people, but even people of our peer group totally freak out when some sort of emergency comes up, or even when something simply annoying occurs, instead of dealing or tolerating it... just because they're so accustomed to living in a sterile-sit-in-front-of-the-tv-and-you-wont-get-hurt environment growing up. That actually explains a lot about our culture, everything to what we like, to even the economic crisis that we're seeing today. People are so accustomed being bottle fed and not given a chance to learn responsibility.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Hahah, for some reason I knew you would have something to say on this! You're totally right about a lot of people our age not having the wherewithal to figure out how to handle life's little obstacles. People are growing up too pampered and not dealing with enough adversity at an early age, so that when shit gets tough they know how to handle themselves. And like you're saying with the houseing and economic crisis, a lot of that is the individual's own doing. It's like, come on, SACK UP, PEOPLE!

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aww, "big boy" stuff! how cute are you?
[info]heartofkudzu
2008-05-19 07:35 pm UTC (link)
i remember being a kid and being able to roam all around the neighborhood with no restrictions, only that i had to be home right after the streetlights came on and i couldn't go on the main road. my friends and i would be gone for hours, and it was great.

i love your half-bear side! it matches my bear paws.

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You were a pretty precocious little kid yourself!
[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Too bad we didn't know each other when we were little kids! I probably would've tried to hump you. I'd be like, hey, here's what I saw my mommy and daddy doing.

Which, by the way, was also what I was doing when I was 5. I was seriously 5-years-old-going-on-30!

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[info]pop_scene
2008-05-19 08:54 pm UTC (link)
in 1985 i would have taken the rest of the change from the $10 & bought a ton of candy with it. :)

it's so true though. my parents used to always be like, "Come straight home when the street lights come on." & i would go missing from their place until then.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-19 09:23 pm UTC (link)
I didn't start buying tons of candy until I was 8 or 9. I used to stockpile M & Ms in a tin can and keep it under my bed.

Kids were healthier when they weren't home all day playing video games! Our imaginations were our video games! (Well, that's not entirely true. I just didn't have Nintendo.)

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[info]pulpstress
2008-05-19 10:29 pm UTC (link)
I agree, when I was that age things were a lot safer. Y'know what, though? New York City is NOT the place for a NINE YEAR OLD to be out alone. Not in this day and age.

Although..NYC is probably a lot safer now than it was when I was a child.

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[info]skafunkmelt
2008-05-20 12:26 am UTC (link)
Oh man, great story!

I totally agree with you on this. Like, I heard somewhere that the Sesame Street that we watched as kids would not be tolerated now! Bizarre! I can't imagine being a child now. Also, when I was living in Texas, kids didn't seem to play outside. I don't know why. The heat most likely.

I love all my memories of being a child and playing outside as much as possible. I used to ride my bike down to the creek and use this ghetto tire swing that someone rigged up. Luckily, I never fell in, but I did have dogs follow me home on a couple of occasions. Dogs that belonged to people! I guess I was just a really likable girl. haha

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[info]swth
2008-05-20 03:06 am UTC (link)
Like, I heard somewhere that the Sesame Street that we watched as kids would not be tolerated now!

this is true. i was just talking about it yesterday with two friends who are expecting their first child. there's actually a disclaimer before old "sesame street" shows on DVD that says they are for entertainment purposes only.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-20 10:22 pm UTC (link)
As laissez faire as my mom was about parenting, I never even broke a bone or got hurt really badly! And this was all back in the days before kids had cell phones, so if you got hurt or lost you'd just have to hope someone found you. We might never have another Baby Jessica! (I'm just assuming all kids have cell phones these days.)

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[info]fakedheartbeat
2008-05-20 02:31 am UTC (link)
Wait, that, "just be home by the time the streetlights come on" rule doesn't apply anymore? man, I don't know enough parents. I guess it's good that I'm finding this out now, before I have a 5-year-old.

My parents used to make my brother and I buy them milk and stuff all the time. What's the point of having kids if you can't send them on errands? hahah

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[info]michaelpop
2008-05-20 10:46 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. Seriously, you just never know when you'll wake up and find out you have a 5-year-old. Things just move so much faster these days.

What's the point of having kids if you can't send them on errands?

This was my step-father's motto. Sigh.

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[info]kabballer
2008-05-20 03:15 am UTC (link)
For $10 you could eat like a serious baller at KFC in 1978 and have money left over for "Pong"!

I spent a lot of weekend afternoons at the pet store down the street, mostly looking at the awesome boas and pythons they had. When I learned how to ride a bike at 13 (how late!) we'd ride to the bowling alley to play video games and stop by the KFC for these little $1 shots of salt and breading called "Chicken Littles."

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[info]swth
2008-05-20 03:41 am UTC (link)
Great story.

Growing up in a rural area never afforded me such opportunities. But I think everyone our age has similar stories that would now be looked upon as detrimental to our well-being. It's pretty amazing how little parents trust their kids now as opposed to then. What interests me most about this trend is how these helicopter parents developed since they supposedly grew up when kids roamed free during the day.

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[info]denzoner
2008-05-20 04:43 am UTC (link)
Best "Mother's Day" story ever.

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[info]letigrette
2008-05-20 05:32 am UTC (link)
totally craving a kfc biscuit right now.

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[info]talentshow
2008-05-20 09:45 pm UTC (link)
That's a cool story.

My mom did shit like that during the summer. She'd give me and a friend $5 to go play pinball at the arcade. On the strip. But my mom was a social worker.

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[info]insular_tahiti
2008-05-21 02:37 am UTC (link)
that's probably the most awesome story i have ever heard about a child and his mother. my mother lost me in stores in new jersey a couple of times, but that was pretty minor. i guess i'm pretty fortunate. but i mean, i could theoretically have gotten kidnapped in a kids 'r' us by some child molester or something.

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[info]tigermilking
2008-05-21 10:15 pm UTC (link)
my parents were super controlling of me and never let me do anything by myself. i'm pretty indepedent, but i have a horrible habit of controlling people and situations.

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[info]tigermilking
2008-05-21 10:16 pm UTC (link)
*after my dad married my step mom, anyway. until about the age of 8 i was pretty much in the same boat as you were.

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