Canadian Tuxedo Optional ([info]michaelpop) wrote,
@ 2008-06-03 11:41:00
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That was then but this is now.
I'm not sure if admiration is the word I'm looking for, but I've always thought it was cool when someone was really super passionate about something. Like, as long as their enthusiasm for that thing stayed on the healthy side of creepy (and it's a very delicate line, with juggalos failing badly) I think that's cool. Everyone's got at least one thing that they're the most into out of all the people they know, and to other people that thing sort of becomes their defining characteristic. Whether or not it's accurate isn't the point; that thing acts as a kind of shorthand that's especially useful around the holidays. What do you get Joe Blow? Well, he's a huge (blank) fan, so I'll get him something having to do with that thing he likes so much. And that's why people wind up with crap they don't want or need. Isn't that how it works?

I have no idea what my thing is. I think it's for other people to make those assumptions. If I had to guess, I'd say "Ryan Adams". People probably tend to associate me with him, but is that really my thing? Yeah, I enjoy the guy and his music, and my bedroom walls are adorned with posters of his likeness, but that just means I'm a 16-year-old girl, not his biggest fan. I don't follow him around on tour, or even go to every single show when he's in my own city. I don't collect his bootlegs and I'm not on his mailing list. So even with the things that I like a lot, I'm like the most passive fan ever. Or maybe it's the Union Jack. I love the Union Jack. If I get a Union Jack thong for Christmas, it would genuinely make me happy.

Anyway, I'm not sure I understand what it means to have the kind of devotion that inspires people to, say, follow the Grateful Dead Phish Morrissey (not a knock on Moz or his fans, I'm just can't think of anyone else with obsessive fans right now) around the country. So people who have that trait intrigue me.

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Last week I saw Superdrag, who are in my all-time top-five favorite bands ever. You know how it is, you get into a band when you're 15 and that relationship is for life. I bought Regretfully Yours on tape in 1996 on the recommendation of some girl I knew on AOL and that laid the foundation for the type of music fan I would become. I saw them at the Troubadour in 1998 with a parental chaperon. I met [info]so_gracefully at another Superdrag show at the Troubadour in 2001, a meeting which to this day I still credit for being the kind of life-altering encounter that only happens a few times in your life. I think it's safe to say that if it wasn't for Superdrag, my life on just about every level would have turned out very differently.

When Superdrag went "on hiatus" a few years ago because the singer found Jesus and started putting out Christian rock albums, it made me sad. Not because of the Christian rock, but because it was the first in a series of "end of an era" reminders that nothing stays the same. The first link to my youth was potentially lost and gone forever. No more shows where I knew (most of) the words to every song. No more opportunities for busting out the air-guitar! No more rocking out with abandon and scissor kicks and falling into people while sober. So when they reunited last year, I was obviously elated. They announced some east coast tour dates and for a minute I had actually considered flying out to see them. I didn't, of course, because I just don't love anything that much. But when I found out they were coming to LA, I was pumped.

You know what I learned at the show? That no matter how hard you try, resistance is futile. Once the past is gone, you can't recapture it. In the year 2008, Superdrag are obviously not a band that's hip with the kids. Their fans mainly consist of people who got into them 10 years ago, so most of the crowd was in their late-20s to mid-30s and beyond. That lent the show a weird vibe, making everyone in the room feel even older. It made the dudes on stage seem downright prehistoric. It was like being at a show where everyone there was "the old dude at a show". I'm not saying that I want to go back to being 17 or 21 again, but, yeah, I was hoping to reclaim some of the feelings associated with those times. Some youthful exuberance or something. The music was still great, and they played mostly classics, and I rocked out pretty thoroughly, but I couldn't shake the feeling of defeat, that even after giving it my best shot, the old college try, I had to own up to the fact that I'm getting older and certain things don't give me the same pleasure they used to. The highs don't get you that high anymore. It's a sad realization. But it's okay to let the past go. Also, I don't remember waking up with a sore neck and calves the morning after a show back when I was 21. I guess nature has a way of telling us when it's time to start acting your age.

This song will always rule, though. No, it's not that one, it's the other one. Yeah, there was a second single.

"Destination Ursa Major"


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[info]angelly_bean
2008-06-03 07:02 pm UTC (link)
i hope i don't feel that way when i go see My Bloody Valentine in October...

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 07:19 pm UTC (link)
I think My Bloody Valentine will be different, if only because it'll be the first time most people have seen them, so there won't be a past to compare the experience to. There are going to be expectations, built up over a decade, so it'll be interesting to hear how they lived up to them.

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[info]angelly_bean
2008-06-03 08:36 pm UTC (link)
and no follow-up album since then!

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[info]ms_pooka
2008-06-03 07:08 pm UTC (link)
sounds kind of like going to a high school reunion where you realize everyone was not frozen in time after all.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I guess it was kind of like that. The singer, sadly, doesn't look like a skinny mod kid anymore, either. He sobered up when he found God, gained some weight and shaved his head. So they lost an element of what made them appealing to me back when I was younger. I was like, whoa, a singer who drinks and smokes on stage! What a rebel! I was really into stuff like that. Still am. But now they're all dads!

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[info]chillbot75
2008-06-03 07:08 pm UTC (link)
--- Insert first 3 paragraphs of your post here ---

"It's not who you are underneath... It's what you do that defines you."

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Hahahhah, exactly. You're the guy who likes the Beatles and mountain biking. Those are your things!

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[info]lesh
2008-06-03 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Ditto, ditto, ditto!

That was my first time hearing Superdrag actually, thank you for that. Cool video. I love that side of the 90s when style took a quantum leap.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 07:24 pm UTC (link)
They were total mod-wannabes back when they first came out. It was weird, this band from Knoxville, Tennessee who loved the Beatles AND British Invasion AND My Bloody Valentine. They were a power-pop shoegaze band at first. Loved that.

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[info]beckon_you_on
2008-06-03 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I have this awful feeling that whenever I see Morrissey again it's going to feel like that. I mean, I sort of do almost every time I am planning to see him after it's been awhile... but now that he's pushing 50.. bleh. I honestly try not to think about it.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, you never want to see your idols reduced to being a lounge act. Hopefully he does a few more tours and goes out with his dignity.

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 07:55 pm UTC (link)
jesus hates rock music

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 08:00 pm UTC (link)
although i think its pretty sweet that the vocal chorus only happens once at the end, i'm surprised they didn't have a radio edit where it would actually repeat.

superdrag is to you as better than ezra is to sarah mae.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 09:36 pm UTC (link)
superdrag is to you as better than ezra is to sarah mae.

I got faced. Except, Superdrag actually had some critical cachet.

Consider from AMG:

Along with such similarly styled outfits as the Goo Goo Dolls, the New Orleans trio Better Than Ezra helped open the floodgates for countless mainstream alt-pop acts of the late '90s (Sugar Ray, Semisonic, Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, etc.) by merging rock with melody and creating a more easily digestible form of alternative music for the masses.


And...

Though many have dubbed Superdrag a punk-pop or power pop band, their music has shown itself to be atop of the aforementioned genres. Taking as much influence from the British Invasion-style pop of the Beatles and the Zombies as My Bloody Valentine and Hüsker Dü, their songs have always combined melodicism and noise in fully distinct fashion. While many have compared frontman John Davis -- no relation to the Jonathan Davis of Korn or John Davis of Folk Implosion -- to Big Star's Alex Chilton in terms of his throaty vocals, often cynical lyrics, and major-minor chord progressions, the history of the two Tennessee-based groups have shared many parallels in terms of being a band's band that has often gone misunderstood.

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 09:52 pm UTC (link)
that article seems to think that just cuz you are ripping off old, good bands you have more cred.

i just meant theyre both your FANZ~4EVA bands from the 90s.

i was obsessed with weezer at one point but i they've done enough for me to be embarrassed to admit that. today i fall in love with new bands quite frequently, but it's the older stuff that i worship. the most contemporary music i am close to obsessed with is My Bloody Valentine and Bjork, and maybe the Cardigans (less a musical attraction these days). Weezer has probably changed my life the most, in tangential ways, mostly social.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 10:13 pm UTC (link)
I don't think that's what the article is suggesting, but it's a valid point! If you're going to rip off or have influences, why not good bands instead of shitty ones? Take away the bands they're compared to and you get "merging rock with melody and creating a more easily digestible form of alternative music for the masses" which is a lot more damning than "their songs have always combined melodicism and noise in fully distinct fashion".

(Is it obvious yet that I think Superdrag are awesome?)

Speaking of Weezer, they were indirectly responsible for Superdrag, and other kindred power-pop spirits, like Nada Surf. Crazy how those bands are still (somewhat and arguably) relevant today.

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 10:29 pm UTC (link)
it is suggesting that better than ezra just wanted to make digestable music for the masses, like they dumbed down "alt rock" for the kids.

i mean, is better than ezra really an easier listen than superdrag? they both had hit singles, and i didn't think superdrag particularly challenged mainstream audiences. all in all it is a matter of taste, and this writer clearly loves superdrag.

i'm playing devil's advocate since i would probably prefer superdrag to better than ezra. i'm not totally buying the "more critical cache" thing. i'm not about to grant every band who was influenced by MBV a golden ticket. ...either way i'm WRONG because i haven't really listened to either of them.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 10:52 pm UTC (link)
To answer your question, yes. Being somewhat familiar with Better Than Ezra and wholly familiar with Superdrag, there's a big difference between the two. Ambition-wise, there's no comparison. After Superdrag had some success with their debut, instead of recording another album of the same, they went back to the studio and made a very different sophomore record. It was like they got really stoned and listened to nothing but the Beatles. Lots of different instruments and arrangements and a real pyschedelic vibe.

Obviously just saying "they were influenced by MBV" doesn't mean shit, because there are a ton of shitty post-shoegaze bands. But honestly, they did things in a way that was unique, incorporating a lot of various influences, and they never made the same album twice. And all their albums are really excellent. As a fan of the genre, they're one of the best.

Anyway, trying to convince you to like them is practically pointless because you're more into ethereal sounds, so, yeah. It's like selling hamburger to a vegan.

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 11:27 pm UTC (link)
nah man i'm not trying to resist superdrag. i just missed the boat and i have little interest in investigating unless someone really shoved it down my throat.

and uh i like non-ethereal sounds too. if they are really like some MBV/zombies/beatles/husker du mashup, that is so up my alley. but something tells me that is not going to be the case. i'm curious about this psych album of theirs but i'm not about to go out and buy it.. embarassing!

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[info]ihatesnard
2008-06-03 11:46 pm UTC (link)
this whole string is practically useless as i said above, i haven't listened to either much at all. and what i know of superdrag is their 2 biggest singles--this is why i lumped the 2 together as alt-rock 90s one hit wonders. i tried listening to the record sucked out was on back then but i didn't get into it. i surely don't remember what it sounds like.

and sorry for the offensive allusion to s.m. but you know! you guys are both really still into these bands. haha. it would have been better if i said REM to kelly or something.

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[info]lilypads
2008-06-03 08:36 pm UTC (link)
so you know that chances are someone will now give you a union jack thong for Christmas, right?

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 09:33 pm UTC (link)
That was the idea!

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[info]birdwalk
2008-06-03 09:38 pm UTC (link)
There must be pictures of you wearing it, you know.

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[info]birdwalk
2008-06-03 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Ok...now imagine what the NKOTB concert at Staples Center in October is gonna be like.

Naturally, I will make a full report.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-03 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that should be quite a scene. That is going to be an extreme nostalgia trip. Can't wait to hear about it.

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[info]birdwalk
2008-06-03 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I know for a fact that I am gonna cry. When I saw them at Dodger Stadium in 1990, I was one of those girls who spontaneously started sobbing and howling uncontrollably, like that footage of Beatles fans.

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[info]sonicsuperslide
2008-06-03 11:02 pm UTC (link)
what a great post! i love this song by the way. i guess we all have thing's we have a passion about. mine is so retro...The Go-Go's. everyone knows this. i guess belinda carlisls voice has always ment something to me. in many ways...she has saved my life. just my two cents :)

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-04 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Aww! You know, I bought Beauty and the Beat years ago and I've stil never listened to it! I might have to dust it off and give it a spin now!

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[info]sonicsuperslide
2008-06-04 09:59 pm UTC (link)
Do me a favor....listen to it. i mean really listen to it. it's so still good. real california/L.A. songs. listed to "This Town", "Tonight", "Lust To Love' and "Fading Fast"....i swear you will love them as much as i do. u are one cool dude Michael. i am really glad to know you and read your journal.

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[info]nothardtofind
2008-06-03 11:45 pm UTC (link)
The awesome part about SUCKED OUT however is how it basically is a song about itself!

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[info]pulpstress
2008-06-04 12:13 am UTC (link)
Superdrag's touring drummer is the husband of my friend, Kalle, who works at the Starbucks in downtown Nashville. :)

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-04 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Touring drummer? They only have one drummer and he's Don Coffey Jr.! He's also pretty awesome!

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[info]pulpstress
2008-06-05 12:58 am UTC (link)
Well, I know about him, but I thought he was out due to chronic arthritis pain? I guess he's back on the ball (as it were) and Ethan is through touring with them.

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[info]pulpstress
2008-06-05 01:00 am UTC (link)
D'oh! Nevermind. Wrong band!! He's with Reliant K. He only did the Nashville show with Superdrag.

Now I feel like an idiot (kinda). ;-)

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[info]so_gracefully
2008-06-04 02:44 am UTC (link)
i'm glad you won't forget me even though you have cool rockstar friends now!!

recently, ozma was playing at the knitting factory, and i thought, "hey it would be cool to go and say hi and see how they are doing" and then i realized not only that i would be far too exhausted to even think about 1) driving to hollywood and 2) standing there watching them play, but that i was no longer that excited, exuberant teenage girl. ozma got me connected to a lot of people and bands that i ended up loving a lot, but it has been 10 years since the first time i saw/heard them, and jesus, the realization of how much life has changed was just mindblowing. i'm still kind of depressed about it, to be honest. i have a lot going for me now, but god, i miss the way i was energetic and excited when i was 15-20. but also, i know that i have a different kind of passion now, that is much deeper and more meaningful to me as a person, and i wouldn't trade that for the long-gone obsession with matthew caws, either.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-04 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Hahah, cool rockstar friends? No one has informed me of this development.

Speaking of Ozma, Jose was there. It's funny that we're sort of friendly because we've played the occasional game of pick-up baseball together over the years. It seems like he's everywhere, though. I don't think the guy sleeps.

Another blast from the past sighting: Lauren Doran. I didn't say hi or anything, but, yeah, FLASHBACK!

i know that i have a different kind of passion now, that is much deeper and more meaningful to me as a person

Exactly. That energy we had back then is being channeled into other arenas, which is a good thing. We'll always have our memories!

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[info]gogogh
2008-06-04 03:15 am UTC (link)
I think the difference is that bands who draw those kinds of obsessive fans are at least somewhat relevant or record new albums just as an excuse to tour and make bank off of live shows (Morrissey in the former and Depeche Mode/The Cure/Erasure in the latter).

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[info]swth
2008-06-04 03:47 am UTC (link)
I learned last weekend that there is a group called the Black Posse. You know who they follow around the country? Black Rebel Motorcycle Club. Upon hearing this, I commented, "You'd think if you were going to devote your time and money to a band, you'd at least make it a good band." This was said in the presence of a couple who met at a BRMC show 3+ hours from where they live. They had some issues with my comment. But, seriously, people have to pick good stuff to be obsessive about. Like, baseball teams. (Hey, pretty sweet weekend of baseball, huh?)

I've been going to a lot of shows where the median age is way higher than shows I've been to the last few years. I can't quite figure out if kids aren't going to shows as much or I'm just seeing more bands who appeal to an older audience.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-05 10:09 pm UTC (link)
I steadily lost interest in BRMC after their first album, but I remember seeing them right before it came out with about 20 other people and they rocked pretty convincingly. That debut was solid. They definitely should've quit while they were ahead.

(Thanks for the dig, by the way. The Dodgers have been brutal the past few weeks, but thanks to the rest of the division being just as poor, we're still a hot week away from first place. At least, that's what I keep telling myself.)

I think kids are going to just as many shows, but they're probably getting into different groups, so it must be an age thing. I would think most of the acts we like are catering to an established audience already. Just a theory, though.

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[info]heartofkudzu
2008-06-04 03:42 pm UTC (link)
If I get a Union Jack thong for Christmas, it would genuinely make me happy.

MENTAL NOTE TAKEN.

I have no idea what people would associate with me as something I know more about or am more passionate about than most people. I feel like I'm more of a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of girl.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-04 04:54 pm UTC (link)
If I wasn't your boyfriend, I'd probably say something like, Lindsey likes flowers and books and taking pictures and documenting her life! Also: Pasta!

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[info]heartofkudzu
2008-06-04 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Those are so boring! "Oh, Lindsey? Yeah, she likes...flowers. And pasta." Also, while those are all genuine likes of mine, I am not an expert on any of them. I feel I can speak fairly knowledgeably on a wide variety of subjects, though, but there isn't anything I can pin down where I can be considered an Expert or Superfan. I can think of something like that for most of my friends (Taya: Harley Quinn and vegan cooking! Carlos: Asian horror movies and sake! Garrett: queer activism! Claire: film and literary criticism!) but I can't think of anything for me. This has actually been something I've struggled with for years now, because I think it's kind of odd not to have a defining passion. The closest thing I've ever been able to think of is the area of sex and sexuality, in which I'm really well-versed, but I don't really get to showcase that.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-05 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I feel I can speak fairly knowledgeably on a wide variety of subjects, though, but there isn't anything I can pin down where I can be considered an Expert or Superfan.

And this is why we're perfect, because I see myself the same way.

And a thousand lashes with a wet noodle for me, because I totally spaced on how incredibly knowledgeable you are about sex and sexuality! You're my little Sue Johanson!

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[info]iheartjew
2008-06-08 04:27 am UTC (link)
Oh dear -- Did I miss you? or did i pick the wrong night to attend the superdrag slash kay hanley rock fest.


i think jesus did john davis some good. cause when he was a bloated drunk junkie he would never play "sucked out"

i thought they were great!

-LB

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-09 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Being a Kay Hanley superfan, I figured you would be at BOTH shows, but I guess not. I only went to the Wednesday night show. Saw Lauren Doran though!

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[info]a_comet_by_far
2008-06-14 08:31 pm UTC (link)
my coworker used to date ryan adams.

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[info]michaelpop
2008-06-14 08:43 pm UTC (link)
WHAT! That is awesome, and I am JEALOUS! I'm sure she's got some stories to tell...

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